UM56

[zonalblitz_audio 0]

 

Oh ya! OT abit.

Just a question, does the novita irons need burn-in?

Edited November 26, 2006 by zonalblitz_audio

[Morpheus 0]

Stereo Electrnics,

 

imho its not very nice of you to call someone elses moulds "fake" before you start to carry your own "MO sales", especially when you are a "reputable" dealer inside this forum...it gives people the impression that you got bad business ethics...

 

Just my little advice to you...

 

 

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When are the novita steam irons with M&K hospital grade plugs coming in?

 

What's that?

[Guest joi-ful]

Stereo Electrnics,

 

imho its not very nice of you to call someone elses moulds "fake" before you start to carry your own "MO sales", especially when you are a "reputable" dealer inside this forum...it gives people the impression that you got bad business ethics...

 

Just my little advice to you...

 

I beg to differ. It's good that he informs the general public about this.

I think the consumer has the right to know what he's buying before deciding on his purchase.

 

Personally, I don't mind getting a non-official custom tips if quality is good. However, if I were to spend such a significant sum of $$ on a so-called "UM56" without knowing it's a fake.....

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I beg to differ. It's good that he informs the general public about this.

I think the consumer has the right to know what he's buying before deciding on his purchase.

 

Personally, I don't mind getting a non-official custom tips if quality is good. However, if I were to spend such a significant sum of $$ on a so-called "UM56" without knowing it's a fake.....

 

Well, herein lies the point of this fiasco. How do you know the price that was charged for these"fake" moulds? How do you know its not a "custom" tip so customed that westone dosent make them? How do you know if it really was the cheapo spinoff everyone has been talking about? Even when you only "think" the consumer has to know what he's buying before deciding on his purchase", which I agree, but just shows that you are not very confident of what you are saying but just jumping in to post your reply here?

 

I am not trying to deride a dealer here who is making so much effort to inform the masses, just trying to point out that the amount of effort to prove himself right before his own sales could make people question his intent. And jumping to his defense could also make people question yours.

 

And besides its not like theres many other westone custom dealers around and it makes it sound like the other earmoulds outside are counterfeit and expensive before his own sales?

Edited November 27, 2006 by Morpheus

[Guest joi-ful]

How do you know the price that was charged for these"fake" moulds? How do you know its not a "custom" tip so customed that westone dosent make them? How do you know if it really was the cheapo spinoff everyone has been talking about? Even when you only "think" the consumer has to know what he's buying before deciding on his purchase", which I agree, but just shows that you are not very confident of what you are saying but just jumping in to post your reply here?

 

Firstly, in the link SE provided, the user claimed the custom tips to be UM56, which by now we know they are not. If Westone doesn't make them, then they aren't the UM56 yea?

 

Next, what's the 'it' you mentioned? I've never specified any dealer selling a specific "cheapo spinoff" fyi. I didn't mention I know the price charged for the 'fake' moulds. But when paying more than SGD100 for something like eartips, I think one has the right to know exactly what he/she will be getting right?

 

Btw, by using "I think", I was merely showing I'm expressing my opinions. Just in case someone took my words to be the universal truth, which of course isnt! YMMV.

 

Edit: By no means am I jumping to anyone's defense. I'm sure it's clear what my intentions are. Just trying to clarify doubts from a consumer's point of view.

Edited November 27, 2006 by joi-ful

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Well, herein lies the point of this fiasco. How do you know the price that was charged for these"fake" moulds? How do you know its not a "custom" tip so customed that westone dosent make them? How do you know if it really was the cheapo spinoff everyone has been talking about? Even when you only "think" the consumer has to know what he's buying before deciding on his purchase", which I agree, but just shows that you are not very confident of what you are saying but just jumping in to post your reply here?

 

I am not trying to deride a dealer here who is making so much effort to inform the masses, just trying to point out that the amount of effort to prove himself right before his own sales could make people question his intent. And jumping to his defense could also make people question yours.

 

And besides its not like theres many other westone custom dealers around and it makes it sound like the other earmoulds outside are counterfeit and expensive before his own sales?

 

Well, SE got his replies about the imitations from Westone. You can see his email exchanges with Westone too. He only mentioned those in the pics are not UM56 but imitations and nothing else. You think he should just warn ppl of imitations but do nothing to prove himself, just because it could make ppl question his own intent? Or should he ask someone else to contact Westone instead, since his words carry no weight at all because he's a dealer?

 

I'm still skeptical of this fiasco of course. I don't believe it 100% either and I hope there can be clarifications rather than just bashings. You may think I'm jumping to his defense, but from a 3rd party point of view, I believe it's right to inform the masses, since the emails exchanges with Westone is enough to make a point. However, if he made a mistake about this, an apology should be due too.

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All right then, both your points taken...Im not going to prolong this fiasco any further for I see no point because many people do not know what they are talking about, while others make implications for the rest to imagine.

 

I sincerely apologise if I offended anyone with my posts. I just wish more people would take the RED pill so they do not believe in just whatever they read/see/guess........

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I think Aron has a responsibility to warn our members if he sees that there are "unofficial" UM56's being regarded as the real McCoy. This is more true since he is a dealer and is more likely to recognise unofficial items than any of our other members.

 

Of course, you can question his intent, but whatever it is, it does not change the fact that our members will benefit from this caveat. It is in this light that I have updated his thread in the Announcement section to reflect this latest correspondence he had with Westone.

 

Those who know what they are talking about are welcome to provide concrete information to rebuke Aron's allegation that the UM56's in question are "unofficial". If not, our members are advised to confirm the authenticity of any related products before they make any purchases, be it at any dealer.

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All right then, both your points taken...Im not going to prolong this fiasco any further for I see no point because many people do not know what they are talking about, while others make implications for the rest to imagine.

 

I sincerely apologise if I offended anyone with my posts. I just wish more people would take the RED pill so they do not believe in just whatever they read/see/guess........

 

I understand your point questioning his intent, since he is an audio dealer too. Ppl here shld be able to judge themselves. Not to worry, I believe there'll be clarifications soon.

[jdimitri 0]

... SE has not been an authorized Westone dealer for long

About a month or so ago when i checked their website, the only singapore distributor was jaben

Even now, they're only listed for their universal products, nothing about customs

 

Maybe the (unique) UM2 custom tips at jaben aren't the UM56, but people who got them knew them as a one-off tips, one of a kind thing, not UM56 by westone. They work well, and all the other tips seems to be the normal westone ones, so what's the problem?

 

Not very long after jaben was banned from the forums, SE started offering the ES2 (which people usually go to jaben to buy) for a price that's lower than anywhere in the world, even america. As i understand it, SE or any other overseas distributor has to cover shipping costs to america

 

I'd call that bad business ethics, draw your own conclusion..

To the mods, even if you find this post accusing, etc etc, please don't delete it. I think everyone needs to see all sides of the argument

 

EDIT: here's a quote from the 'fake' UM56 owner:

 

To be fair, Wilson of Jaben Network has NEVER represented to me that they were Westone UM56's. I remembered that he had merely said that they were custom earmolds meant for the Westone UM2. It transpired that the first batch of earmolds were sent to another company for fabrication.

Edited November 27, 2006 by jdimitri

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Interesting.. First time I see comments about bad business ethics for offering cost savings to consumer. I have nothing against Jaben, even now I still find Jaben prices competitive. I patronise both shops and I don't see anything wrong with either one having their own promotions. You go there and if you are happy with the service and price then a deal is done.

 

You can even think of it in another way if you want. Let's say SE was able to offer a lower price for the ES2 a long time ago but refrained from doing so cos he didn't want to undercut Jaben? It's up to you to judge. Do you really mean no one can sell the ES2 in this forum at a lower price than Jaben after Jaben got banned? Anyone caught doing so is considered unscroupulous?

 

When SE first mentioned about UM56 imitations everyone was confidently bashing him for being ignorant about the so called one-off custom tips. However ppl began to realise that those may not really be the UM56 by Westone from his email exchanges with Westone. Now he is being accused of not bothering to clarify matters before making that post, but the fact was that he did clarified with Westone before making that statement.

 

From a neutral point of view I feel SE shld be given credit for sharing with us what he knows and pointing this out. Instead he was being labeled as someone with bad business ethics and his intent questioned. I see everyone trying to put him down, rather than agree with what he's doing, and I really don't understand why. If you had unknowingly bought a so called fake iPod from China and someone pointed it out to you, would you say things like "I'm OK with it, it works exactly like the original" or would you be pissed off? I believe ppl will have different opinions about this, but at the end of the day, it's important to let consumers know what they are getting out of the deal. That is what I call business ethics.

 

I hope no one feels offended by this. In the event that SE made a mistake about the custom tips he owes everyone an apology. Meanwhile, give him credit for pointing that out too..

 

 

[nakedtoes 0]

There simply too many obvious fan boys here

[jdimitri 0]

The thing is, the tips aren't fake..

Westone isn't the only company that can make custom tips

 

One thing that no one else mentioned is that the only non-um56 custom tips jaben was ever involved with are the glitter ones

All the rest are made by westone, and you misunderstood me about the price

 

Heck, while i was there in august-ish i saw him getting a package from westone containing 4 or so pairs of custom tips

 

ps. I'm getting an ES2 via jaben, and i sent the earmolds myself to westone because i'm currently overseas

Edited November 27, 2006 by jdimitri

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But the problem is that there are people who claimed that they purchase um56 from Jaben even though they are not. I find that that is what is really called bad business ethics. We are to paid the cost of um56 which end up with a fake um56. For $199, i might as well visit an audio specialist to make a fake um56 for a much cheaper price. Besides, i can received it within a week and Jaben is NOT CERTIFIED to make ear impressions. Really a true Jaben's fanboy. Sorry, mod, the reply from this Jaben's fanboy just make me furious. For those who are unhappy with SE posting a word of caution, you can just make your fake um56 purchase, need not shoot at people