Absolute0 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 I think the thread is taking a wrong turn. Let's all be objective here and refrain from unnecessary argument or we would have to lock this thread since it has already served its purpose of warning our members. I think a few things are clear. For the record, the member with the customs in question has posted a clarification in the abovementioned forum, as pointed out by jdimitri. I think we need to recognise that this is (supposedly) a one-off affair, and apparently all customs after this one provided by Jaben were official UM56's. Still, our members are encouraged to verify the authenticity of all products before purchase, be it at any dealer. More importantly, the confusion arose because the said member posted that the customs were UM56's along with the pictures. This IS misleading by all accounts. No one said they were poor in quality or performance, just that there was misrepresentation which deserves clarification, which was provided by SE (Aron), and later said member. The misrepresentation is the problem. Finally, it is the prerogative of any dealer to sell whichever product at whatever prices they deem profitable/viable. It is not unusual for new dealers to offer low prices to attract customers. Whether it is bad business ethics should be up to the individual to decide. Ultimately, it is us consumers who benefit from lower prices, isn't it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zonalblitz_audio 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) Did someone said FAKE UM56? Didn't you read properly what was the custom earmold about? For your information, Jaben IS NOT 'not-certified' to make Ear Impressions. If you want to know, find it yourself if he's certified. It also takes an experience hand to do ear impressions properly. Like some have mentioned before, Ear Impression IS NOT rocket science. Just how bad can they fail. Inexperience surgeons have higher failure rate. And for your information again, an Impression kit can be bought off any medical stores in the states. You may make your ear impressions at home if the nearest specialist store is too far from your place. Get your earmolds done from Audiologist if you need hearing aid. The $199 was a package which includes the Earmolds, Ear Impression and a through and fro shipping service. However if you're still paranoid of what you are getting, send your 'fake um56' to Westones to have them verified. Please do note that Westones have strict pricing for their products, if cheaper is better, think again! Edited November 27, 2006 by zonalblitz_audio Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zonalblitz_audio 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 I think a few things are clear. For the record, the member with the customs in question has posted a clarification in the abovementioned forum, as pointed out by jdimitri. I think we need to recognise that this is (supposedly) a once-off affair, and apparently all customs after this one provided by Jaben were official UM56's. Still, our members are encouraged to verify the authenticity of all products before purchase, be it at any dealer. More importantly, the confusion arose because the said member posted that the customs were UM56's along with the pictures. This IS misleading by all accounts. No one said they were poor in quality or performance, just that there was misrepresentation which deserves clarification, which was provided by SE (Aron), and later said member. The misrepresentation is the problem. Your point is noted but however the announcments still deem as 'imitations'. There will be another confusion eventually. Please clarify us again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute0 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 Your point is noted but however the announcments still deem as 'imitations'. There will be another confusion eventually. Please clarify us again. I have updated the thread title in the Announcements. Still, we need to warn our members that some people might pass off these third party customs as the real McCoys given their likeless, so it is not unreasonable to label them as "imitations". Also added the custom's owner's clarification for balance and good measure. I hope all grounds have been covered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ayeosq 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) I dont know much about ear mold... But does a Panasonic discman mean its an imitation or fake version of SONY discman??? Using words like IMITATION and FAKE??? Adding insult to injury, thread with title as "Imitation UM56"... Ya its a 3rd party and more professional Full Ear Mold... Ashame to those people callling others belonging IMITATION or FAKE... Edited November 27, 2006 by ayeosq Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Absolute0 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 does a Panasonic discman mean its an imitation or fake version of SONY discman??? No, of course not. But it IS an imitation/fake if you call a Panasonic discman a Sony discman or portray it as such, which is what happened in this case before the clarification was made. Seriously, we don't need anymore of this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morpheus 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 oh great...seems like this thread IS going down the wrong direction... lemme try to put things in perspective by listing just facts: 1) Shop X sold a customed earmold to a user for his Westone UM2 2) The user posted a review quoting them as Westone UM56(which he has since clarified as a misunderstanding) 3) Shop X got banned from here 3) Shop Y which just got dealership for customed Westones started selling ES2 at rockbottom prices. 4) Shop Y which is venturing into cheaper alternatives pointed out that the existence of "imitations" 5) Shop Y linked to a thread a mould that clearly states incorrectly his moulds being UM56s which also states the maker being Shop X. 6) People here start debating on what is right and what is wrong. imo most people here dont see the point that different people people view this matter differently. Most people would just take it that Shop X ever sold a so called "fake"(which works and looks as well as if not better), and that Shop Y was nice enough to point it out here with links to the "fakes" in question. Shop Y is going to offer cheaper/better alternatives so Shop X=bad and Shop Y=good. Comon if the people in charge here is really that impartial, this situation is definitely similiar when someone made several comments to Kingsley sometime back and was warned to edit his posts(which imo meant TOTALLY no harm, but in fact advertisement for them), and now since only Shop Y is "actively" participating here is given all sorts of leeway to post "infering" posts to another "fallen" dealer? Is this the double stardard thats is being practised? How about the situation when bluetin was spamming the shoutbox? Was any actions done as PUBLICLY as the banning of certain members and dealer? NO If low prices are all you care about, and you tend to think you are intelligent to guess what is the real truth from just one side of the story, then you have taken the BLUE pill... If you can see beyond just the $$$, you have taken the RED pill, and welcome to the REAL world... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
replay 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 It's tough moderating a forum.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Troll 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 (edited) It's tough moderating a forum.. Ahem..only if they do it well, seems to me they have lotsa moderators with admin rights over here. Like what this Morpheus dude point out, there are lots of un-moderated parts strewn all over the forums but no one seems to care, they only want to silence the rest. Please read more over here : Oh, btw. Dear Shop Y, It was your intention to defame Shop X in the first place. Kudos! You couldn't have done anything better than this. What a masterpiece! Your comrades will love you for it! People dont depend on this forum to do business, and audio loving people nay either. Anyway, HardWareZone and VR-Zone will get wind of this. Be rest assured. Bye bye. Edited November 27, 2006 by Mr. Troll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kyaw 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2006 need some maturity in this hobby, the kids/fanboys arent helping Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heady 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2006 need some maturity in this hobby, the kids/fanboys arent helping I second that thought. I am also not comfortable with this shop X and Y stuff. We should not let "shops" dominate a forum, unless they are the ones paying for it. In which case, we need to make that clear that this is a shop X forum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morpheus 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2006 need some maturity in this hobby, the kids/fanboys arent helping and how do you think your one liner here which labels those who replied to this thread fanboys/kids help? Incidences like these date back much earlier, back to the time after I first joined this forum. I remember another much heated discussion when "authorised" people started making infering post which started people questioning the credibility of "unauthorised" people making ear impressions, just after this "authorised" person started carrying services for earmolds. Another instance when $$$ is not about everything, whatever happened to Shop Y's MO for big ticket items? It now seems to me its just to generate some publicity for himself? Do you think an "authorised" person can really conduct MOs, bypassing the local distributer and still offer warranty? Of course theres the few who would disagree, citing low costs to consumer as everything. I have tried restrain myself from this kind of backlashing since it involves a REAL business and REAL money, by offering subtle comments to make my point from time to time. But it seems some people here just do not see and respect that because they seem to think that the entire world revolves around them just because they are the consumers with the spending power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nu_Omega 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2006 (edited) Seems like the storm is no longer brewing but is raging at full force instead. (From a neutral point of view) Based on the tonality of some posts, it seems like a few people simply reacted when things don’t go their way. No offences intended, but check out post #54; I’m totally flabbergasted by the accusations made with regards to the dealers and mods. Not sure if one can get sued by making such comments in the real world but someone with a background in law pls enlighten me. There’s nothing wrong if arguments are made objectively and maturely but in such defaming manner? Wow. 2 wrong don’t make 1 right and something’s definitely not right. Edited November 28, 2006 by Nu_Omega Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spartan 0 Report post Posted November 28, 2006 Seems like the storm is no longer brewing but is raging at full force instead. (From a neutral point of view) Based on the tonality of some posts, it seems like a few people simply reacted when things don’t go their way. No offences intended, but check out post #54; I’m totally flabbergasted by the accusations made with regards to the dealers and mods. Not sure if one can get sued by making such comments in the real world but someone with a background in law pls enlighten me. There’s nothing wrong if arguments are made objectively and maturely but in such defaming manner? Wow. 2 wrong don’t make 1 right and something’s definitely not right. From a neutral point of view, you do not seem to be neutral. Especially with your threatening comment which disgust me more the what Mr.Troll posted. oh great...seems like this thread IS going down the wrong direction... lemme try to put things in perspective by listing just facts: 1) Shop X sold a customed earmold to a user for his Westone UM2 2) The user posted a review quoting them as Westone UM56(which he has since clarified as a misunderstanding) 3) Shop X got banned from here 3) Shop Y which just got dealership for customed Westones started selling ES2 at rockbottom prices. 4) Shop Y which is venturing into cheaper alternatives pointed out that the existence of "imitations" 5) Shop Y linked to a thread a mould that clearly states incorrectly his moulds being UM56s which also states the maker being Shop X. 6) People here start debating on what is right and what is wrong. imo most people here dont see the point that different people people view this matter differently. Most people would just take it that Shop X ever sold a so called "fake"(which works and looks as well as if not better), and that Shop Y was nice enough to point it out here with links to the "fakes" in question. Shop Y is going to offer cheaper/better alternatives so Shop X=bad and Shop Y=good. Comon if the people in charge here is really that impartial, this situation is definitely similiar when someone made several comments to Kingsley sometime back and was warned to edit his posts(which imo meant TOTALLY no harm, but in fact advertisement for them), and now since only Shop Y is "actively" participating here is given all sorts of leeway to post "infering" posts to another "fallen" dealer? Is this the double stardard thats is being practised? How about the situation when bluetin was spamming the shoutbox? Was any actions done as PUBLICLY as the banning of certain members and dealer? NO If low prices are all you care about, and you tend to think you are intelligent to guess what is the real truth from just one side of the story, then you have taken the BLUE pill... If you can see beyond just the $$$, you have taken the RED pill, and welcome to the REAL world... Ah..... now I know the story. Haven't been here for quite sometime. Guess I missed the action. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
