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Impressions - HD800 vs PS-1000

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As promised, having borrowed this two statement headphones for over a month, after the initial excitement is gone, I am just started to post some comparative comments and observations regarding some of the best dynamic headphones in current production.

 

1. Some background & caveats

I am always a Grado fan and Grado SR-60 was the first headphone that got me started. I only started to enjoy and appreciate Sennheiser HD600/650 after owning some quality amps such as GCHA, RPX-33 and Zana Deux. I love the creamy and slightly but not overly dark sound signature of HD650 so much that I prefer to stick with its own stock cable when driving through Zana Deux. I am also a detail freak, a balance between transparency and "musicality" (the ability to enjoy the music) is equally important to me. Disclaimer: all impressions are solely mine and wholly subjective.

 

2. Music used:

Armik - Rubia

Chet Baker - Chet

Koji Tamaki - ワインレッドの心

Francis Albert Sinatra & Antonio Carlos Jobim

Shawn Colvin - A Few Small Repairs

Kenji Kawai - Ghost in the Shell

J.J. Cale - Troubadour; To Tulsa And Back

Wes Montgomery - Bumpin' At Sunset

Dave Brubeck Quartet - Jazz Impressions of Eurasia

Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um

Jeff Buckley - Mystery White Boy (Live)

Zhou Zhi-Yong - The Great Yellow River

Dave's True Story - Nature

 

3. Comparison/The Sound:

I used a couple of songs that I was extremely familiar in order to compare the 2 headphones.

 

The first time when I listened to the HD800, wow! What a soundstaging! Both headphones have remarkable imaging and soundstaging. In many music I tested, HD800 seems to have a wider soundstaging and more 3-D feeling. However, after the initial excitement is gone, I found myself to prefer the soundstaging on Grado HP1000/HP2, a more coherent, natural and realistic imaging.

 

I must say, both headphones are highly resolving. Previously unheard background voices with HD650, all the sudden come into tune, guitar strings and instruments not heard before can be heard clearly individually. Yes, that made me very excited to crank up the volume. I was also aware that the resolution did not necessary translate into "noise" that made music listening fatigue. The PS1000 sounded really good even straight out of computer sound card and foobar2000, not much flesh and resolution to talk about. Only when I used my headphone setup to put it under test, the challenge comes. It deserves better recordings and low noise 6SL7 NOS tubes. And you can imagine the computer sound card will not have enough drive for HD800 so I had skipped this.

 

These headphones are very fast, have apparent attack/decay and overall good transient response. For the genres of music I listen, PS1000 is more foot-tapping good.

 

3a. The midrange:

For my taste, I prefer the HD800 over PS1000 with regards to vocal and midrange. Both headphones have detailed and airy vocals. But I feel that the vocals on PS1000 sounds slightly sterile and less intimate. On the other hand, HD800 sounds so much sweeter and engaging with fuller body. It's very inviting and feel like the singer is whispering into my ears. However, tube rolling does help a bit here for PS1000. When I used NU JAN-CNU-6SL7GT black glass, it adds a bit more warmth to the midrange on PS1000.

 

3b. The treble:

When dealing with treble/highs, my body will give me warning when it is being too much: physical discomfort & tiring. At no point in time did I encounter any sibilance with either headphone. From the frequency response graph, it looks like the PS1000 has a similar treble energy like the GS1000. But IMO in most case, it doesn't sound like GS1000 and the highs actually texturing well and not fatigue nor bright to listen. Only when I changed a driver tube to a1950's Brimar 6SL7GT, black base, orange label & "D" getter, the PS1000 changed its face to really "fierce" and tiring to listen with aggressive treble energy. Again, system matching does play important part. At same volume on the amplifier, the PS1000 is a bit brighter when compare to HD800. The HD800 is no way dark or "veil" sounding here.

 

3c. The bass:

For me, I really prefer PS1000 over HD800 in bass performance. I won't say the HD800 is bass-shy, because on recording with huge bass (Great Yellow River, track 3) it still sound huge but with less control and definition; when I listen to "Making the Cyborg" & "Reincarnation"from "Ghost in the shell", I could feel the bass drum hitting hard. The bass of HD800 is more about quality; while the bass performance of PS1000 is quality as well as quantity. The bass on PS1000 goes lower, tighter, very well-controlled & better defined and yet still offering a very nice separation from the rest of frequency response. It's not boomy, and never overwhelmed like the PS-1.

 

4. Conclusions?

Disclaimer: all impressions are solely mine and wholly subjective. For the types of music (jazz, blues, vocals) I listen, Grado really suits me better. It recreates the feeling of smokey, laid back mood of a jazz club naturally. I'd say in order to get to this level of performance (be it in anything), requires a high degree of specialization which necessarily results in application specific strengths/weaknesses - these, then, are ultimate the deciding factors. Thus, it becomes nearly impossible for one to be anything more than a genre (or two) specific leader.

 

I really like the HD800, one of the best dynamic headphones in production. However, some facts are pulling me back. Due to the low distortion and larger transducer of HD800, I found myself tend to crank up the volume when I listen to it. It really sounds great at greater volume (slightly over 9 o'clock) but I value my hearing more than the sound quality. Will I get the PS1000? Hmm no, one of the reasons is the shorter headphone cable (compared to other Grados) and that the Grado extension cable also degrades its sound quality. Another reason is the look/appearance reminds me a lot of the GS1000, the only high-end Grado I had owned, revisited several times, and did not like.

 

5. Equipment:

Source: Linn Akurate DS (Cara 9, 3.9.1) w/ dynamik power supply (Gregg Straley's power cord)

IC: Barradio's DIY IC

Amplifier: Zana Deux (Acrolink 6N-P4030 with Oyaide P/C-004)

(Driver : Tungsol 6SU7GTY; Power triodes: 1969's 6C33C-B "winged-C"; Rectifier: 6D22s with C logo)

Power: PS Audio Duet (Blacksand Violet Z1)

Headphones: HD800 (stock cable), PS1000

 

 

6. Reference:

1. J. G. Holt. "Sounds Like? An Audio Glossary", Stereophile, 1993.

http://www.stereophile.com/reference/50/

 

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:rclxms: very nice review.

 

Sadly the only time I listened to the HD800 was during the launch where the amp did not do justice to the phones.

 

 

 

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:rclxms: very nice review.

 

Sadly the only time I listened to the HD800 was during the launch where the amp did not do justice to the phones.

Felt the same way about the Lehmann too; pretty sterile, although the source seems pretty decent at the launch.

 

Still burning in mine, but sounded promising at 20 hrs on the WA6; at least harmonics is intact (unlike the Lehmann) and tonal balance seems pleasing. There seems to be a bit of edge on some female vocals & deep male vocals are not as sonorous as on my Harbeth.

 

 

Hi Yotiao,

 

Very informative review. How does the PS1000 compare to your PS1? I remember your PS1 has a really liquid midrange.

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:rclxms: very nice review.

 

Sadly the only time I listened to the HD800 was during the launch where the amp did not do justice to the phones.

 

Thank you heady :)) Sadly I don't have other amp for a comparison :doh: The result of HD800 with Zana is rather satisfying. I could easily live with the combo and not looking further (still can't decide if I need another headphone :mellow: )

 

 

Hi Yotiao,

 

Very informative review. How does the PS1000 compare to your PS1? I remember your PS1 has a really liquid midrange.

 

Hey Sonq,

 

Thank you but I don't have the PS1 anymore… The PS1000 doesn't sound very liquid in my current setup, comfort-wise, PS1000 is less heavy and suitable to wear for some extended period of time and my external ears won't turn red (this was the case with PS1, wore after 30 mins…).

 

I did try the bagel pads on PS1, better comfort but sound quality decreased big time. PS1000 has better soundstaging/imaging and I think PS1000 also better for a wider genres of music.

 

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Nicely done. And nice system you've got. Enjoyed reading it. :thumbup:

 

Thank you for your kind words, my pleasure :)

 

Nice! :rclxms:

 

Your write up has made me think about spending more time with my headphones again.

 

Great job!

 

Thanks tbln, you know, the music always comes first :))

 

 

Still burning in mine, but sounded promising at 20 hrs on the WA6; at least harmonics is intact (unlike the Lehmann) and tonal balance seems pleasing. There seems to be a bit of edge on some female vocals & deep male vocals are not as sonorous as on my Harbeth.

 

Sonq, is your WA6 maxed out? Does it have a more tubey sound compare to Zana Deux in your memory?

Hand itchy to try the WA5-LE :rclxub:

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Excellent review, you even have/use reference!

Do like to know how's the sound signature of Linn Akurate DS.

 

My first impression after getting the Linn ADS (Cara 6) was the low level detail extraction, I did not realize how much information was there previously. It also made my HD650 and K501 sing again (foot tapping, PRaT) after living with CEC TL51XR as primary source for several months.

 

I don't know how to describe the sound signature of Linn ADS :blush: , but after updating to the latest firmware, Cara 9, which delivers more music, more transparent, more details, and more rhythm. Maybe it's purely psychological, but I am happy with what I am listening everyday now. The timbre of the instruments also sounds real and natural. With Grado HP1000, which some said is "boring" and flat, is really musical and enjoyable for extended periods of listening without fatigue :))

 

 

thx for sharing :))

 

Thanks ^_^

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Sonq, is your WA6 maxed out? Does it have a more tubey sound compare to Zana Deux in your memory?

Hand itchy to try the WA5-LE :rclxub:

 

Mine is the regular PDPS version but with Princess Sophia tube upgrade. Agree that the WA5 looks delicious...

 

I've only log less than 40 hrs on the combo so far and have only one headphone, so really hard to form a reliable opinion. It doesn't sound much like a traditional tube amp at all; quite fast and extended. Fortunately, the harmonics and texture are well communicated like a good tube amp.

 

Quite hard to pin down your ZD's sound signature that day. Firstly, I think the CA CDP is too dry and your ZD is like a chameleon; sounding very different with different phones; I like it best with the PS1 (tonally balanced and fluid) and least with GS1000 (grainy, edgy & thin).

 

We should do another small meet:)

 

 

My first impression after getting the Linn ADS (Cara 6) was the low level detail extraction, I did not realize how much information was there previously. It also made my HD650 and K501 sing again (foot tapping, PRaT) after living with CEC TL51XR as primary source for several months.

 

I don't know how to describe the sound signature of Linn ADS :blush: , but after updating to the latest firmware, Cara 9, which delivers more music, more transparent, more details, and more rhythm. Maybe it's purely psychological, but I am happy with what I am listening everyday now. The timbre of the instruments also sounds real and natural. With Grado HP1000, which some said is "boring" and flat, is really musical and enjoyable for extended periods of listening without fatigue :))

Thanks ^_^

 

What happen to your DAC3?

 

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What happen to your DAC3?

 

Sold off in favor of "one box" solution :grin:

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I'd give my nuts for a pair of HD800's. Okay maybe just my left one.

 

Careful now...we don't wanna step over the thin red line.

 

Anyways nice to see some old hands still banging their heads away kekeke. Senn HD800 wow - i have yet to hear them. Some day soon I hope.

 

On the bright side - my hearing has improved somewhat and can now take normal speakers without ringing. Headphones are still a no no for now... hopefully by the time I redo my heath check in feb everything will be a-ok.

 

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Wow! Thanks for your impressions!

 

I've been listening to my HD800s for a while now but am considering selling them for something else and this has indeed given me some food for thought!

 

:))

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