OH MY GOD! THIS IS AWESOME NEWS!!!

[N3w_Typ3 0]

talk about anime cds.. 1 full abum can cost as much as 50 bucks from japan).

 

No choice i still pay for them ... but remember since i wanna play this headphone hobby got good amp, cdp and cans. so a better choice is to get the original don't forget blues you know what my cds collections are made off ... so GIGO this term is best to use !!

[papaya86 0]

wad im tryin to say is, there will always be a fare share of people who will go for the originals, wad the illegal rippers are doing is jus reducing their amount of earnings which is in the first place alot. alot of spoofs are already out mockin how hard RIAA is tryin to kill piracy, dat includes cartoon sniplets of britney not being able to get her own personal airplane due to piracy and some other musician not being able to get his mega big mansion dat hes been eyeing on for some time due to piracy. and the major recording labels are already earning big bucks. seriously if im given the talent to be a great guitarist (i inspire to be one thru learning now though), i wun mind earning monthly wages of 2 or 3 k, if its enough for me to tide thru, i wun mind, its the passion in music that counts.

[papaya86 0]

and the big picture is, the recording industry is booming right now, nothin is gonna stop it from flourishing, not some cut in earnings due to piracy. they are just sore that they could have earned more if not for this online downloading thingy going on.

[papaya86 0]

the recording labels will have all the resources to maintain their work force. if they cant they wun be signing on so many new artists and bands from time to time.

[Blues 0]

How do you know how much earning they make in the first place? Do you have first hand information? If so I would really love to see it

You might be one out there who still play music for passion and not so much for money. But you have to know that not everyone is as nice as you and it's not really realistic in the first place. The skills, the talent for songwriting,the beautiful vocals are not something you can easily earn even through hardwork.It's like a gift. Some people want to make use of their gifts to earn a living, and in all fairness, they deserve it. Musicians have almost nothing to fall back on should they fail to make it big since they don't really have a steady job in the first place. (Many quit education at even secondary/primary years, talk about Slash from GnR for instance). Had he not made it big, what will he be? It's really unfair if you want to shun the musicans for earning big bucks. I think most of them really do deserve it.

Edited October 19, 2004 by Blues

[Blues 0]

the recording labels will have all the resources to maintain their work force. if they cant they wun be signing on so many new artists and bands from time to time.

Alright so I am just gonna 'assume' everything will work fine.. all will be just alright.. while I am sitting here downloading my friendly copies..

[papaya86 0]

u can see with ur own eyes whether a business is flourishing or not. the music industry right now is obviously flourishin. recording labels are signing on new artists and bands like nobodys business. they're makin use of them as a quick buck, after some earnings if the band/artist isnt reli the icing on the cake, they just chuck them aside and search for new talents. its always the case, everyone is making use of other pple in this dog eat dog world. the biggest actual rippers are the recording labels. they rip the artists they signed on off, they rip us consumers off, they basically make use of everything and everyone that can be made use of to ensure that at the end of the day, they're the ones earning the big bucks. several musicians have already voiced out their comments on how their recording labels ripped them off and how cruel the music industry is. the real winners are the recording labels. all of us are just their sources of income.

[papaya86 0]

so ur hinting if online piracy is allowed, the whole of mankind will turn to downloading to get their stuff? there WILL always be a fair share of users who go for the real stuff. and ur acting like some 15 year old kid tryin to argue an already lost arguement. and above all i do not approve pple of downloading music online. and one point to take note of, if u dunno there are some unreleased songs dat u will never see on sale. those are the very very rares ones dat u will never get hold of if u dun turn to online sources. an example will be the unreleased songs from jimi hendrix that the recording label forced not to be released.

Edited October 19, 2004 by papaya86

[Blues 0]

Recording label provides the surfing board for your favourite artistes to be heard locally(globally) whichever the case. It is through their effort of endless advertisements and bombarding of popstar images(quickie like 5566, backstreet boys) that many people learn to appreciate these 'music'(though some might argue these boybands don't produce good albums... it's out of point). X japan did produce good music but they were unheard of until signed by a recording label. In any case, think of it this way. Recording label 'discovers' talent and expose them to you. In return, they earn profits. We are not here to argue how much or how much not they should be earning. If that is the case, I would like you to argue your case to the doctors when you ask for MCs asking why you should pay him $$ when 'in your opinion' the sickness might be common like flu and you should be paying him much less .

 

[papaya86 0]

i shall restate again, wad pple are downloading are lousy quality songs compared to original audio cds.

thus backing up my statement of "there will always be users who go for originals". i for one purchase audio cds as they are far superior compared to crappy 128kbs mp3s dat have hissing/clippings/distortions etc

[N3w_Typ3 0]

You know there is such a thing called hmv right?  and that they store quite a large collection of cds, dvds, vcds.

You complain that they are expensive? Do you know how much cost they have to cover everyday? Electricity bills, rent, wage, equipments, shelves etc and bla bla. Of course it's always convenient on our part to shop from online stores because they don't have a store to begin with, merely stocking everything in like one big house and more often than not it's like a one-man business 

 

sorry that i pass this question ....err blues seem that you said that cd japan and amazon.co.jp are like one man business

then i am sorry but to say they are just like HMV .. instead ... if it is a one man business it that easy to provide the world such services with those prices( we are talking about international ) ???? .. LOL if you can do it ... by all means

( if i can i will be earning tonns of money i hope oneday it will come )

 

but since i had more dealing with them i kinda know how they work inside out .. is not easy to manage a ware house( bills are involve ) and making that kind of money and they have to also able to get those things shipped out in time of cos there terms signed between the shipping company and the company( money is involve ), if one man was to work all these ... WOO ... how they going to keep track on the millions or trillions stocks of cds ( you think their house is really big enough to keep all the cds ) and there are also many workers inside the company working to handle different sections ( wages to pay the workers )... and to make sure every deals is carry out, somemore those are japaness workers .. their living stardard are very high in fact much higher than Singapore so their pay also is expected high

 

it all like how HMV operates also how they operate .... of cos HMV have a huge price to pay for the space, workers, bills to pay everymonth and in other to cover that is not cheap if you don't know HMV belongs to EMI .....

 

Sorry i did not say this but not to get into a worst argument with blues ! but i feel that blues and i had over looked some points ( it is a good learning experience ! ) OK i going to stop this !!

Sorry for the start of all this.

[Blues 0]

Lousier quality or not is subjective. I can tell you some can't tell a difference between 192kbps readily available on the net(esp with LAME encoding) and original cds. Just FYI when I bought some 2nd hand cds from this guy in yahoo auction he asked me, 'you collecting cds?' then I said 'ya, because the quality no matter what is superior still to mp3s' Then he said 'oh you think so?' ...

 

True there will be people who go for originals but the number has decreased and gone down over the years eversince the introduction of the friendly formats like mp3s and such. You might not know how much the companies have lost during the process. The thing I can't comprehend is, some can spend a fortune on other expensive stuffs but have a whole load of pirated stuffs/mp3s???

 

You buy original cds? Good for you

Edited October 19, 2004 by Blues

[bpribadi 0]

Back to square one

 

I guess the problem here is the money. I believe all of us would love to get everything original if they are affordable (subjective to individual pocket).

 

I agree, that here, in singapore, CDs, DVDs, Software are generally expensive. If we are forced to buy original, then it should be accompanied by price reduction, to make them generally affordable. That means they shouldn't just impossing strict law, but also helping the people to follow it.

 

Imagine if every PC must be loaded with original software, then how many kids can afford it? Even with student card they are still so expensive (MS office for example)... wouldn't it depromote the education in Singapore?

 

Well this is the unfair side of the copyright. Don't just fight for the copyright, but also fight for how to make them more affordable.

[Blues 0]

Yes I believe the prices can be worked out further.. the cds and dvds are generally OK IMHO, not unless you talk about Japanese press .

The most expensive to me still is the software. I remembered when I was doing VB in sec school I checked the price for one original, and it's in the high $200 or so even with student card . (Then again even my comp. teacher would rather us buy original as he felt that only when you pay for something you can appreciate its value).

If they reduce it further perhaps there will be less piracy? Then again in the first place many people have this mentality, 'why pay when I can get the same thing within a few hours worth of downloading time'...

[av98m 0]

As long as Amazon.com refuses to ship DVDs to Singapore I will continue to download what I can't buy locally(and no, I don't mean porn). The local shops suck, even getting them to order stuff is like pulling their teeth. Same with certain CDs that I just can't get anywhere. Huma, I really have no clue what you're so happy about. Anyway, the point of that front page article was to pacify our big brother..ooops, I mean the USA. I'm pretty sure a few unfortunate souls are going to be hauled up as examples to be splashed all over our papers in the near future(sure they can't arrest everyone, but a few randomly selected examples with their photos will do).

Edited October 20, 2004 by av98m