sghound 0 Report post Posted May 3, 2008 http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/01/creativ...ies-pays-up-in/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heady 0 Report post Posted May 4, 2008 http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/01/creativ...ies-pays-up-in/ No lah, they just don't know how to count in binary.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radioactive28 0 Report post Posted May 4, 2008 Standard message to the big corporations: be on your toes or we consumers will be out to rip you for every cent you're worth. And remember: we're always right. These class action suits are ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kookie 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2008 Standard message to the big corporations: be on your toes or we consumers will be out to rip you for every cent you're worth. And remember: we're always right. These class action suits are ridiculous. wow.. another setback for creative... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sghound 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2008 wow.. another setback for creative... total PR disaster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackmouth0 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2008 can anyone say what is it? in a summary form? lols...canot understand well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heady 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2008 (edited) can anyone say what is it? in a summary form? lols...canot understand well In computer lingo, 1KB = 1024byte and 1 GB = 1024KB. Seems Creative counted differently, their 1GB was 1000KB. So they misrepresented the actual memory in their MP3 players, there is about 5% less memory than advertised. See lah, that's what happens when people don't study computer science..... Edited May 5, 2008 by heady Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sghound 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2008 In computer lingo, 1KB = 1024byte and 1 GB = 1024KB. Seems Creative counted differently, their 1GB was 1000KB. So they misrepresented the actual memory in their MP3 players, there is about 5% less memory than advertised. See lah, that's what happens when people don't study computer science..... tats what happens when they do study CS, so that they can slim shady most consumers. it's called gigabyte shaving. 5% is like 2GB shaved for their Zen 32GB. what a hoodwink! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blackmouth0 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2008 oh, just a miscalculation...lol...thanks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radioactive28 0 Report post Posted May 5, 2008 tats what happens when they do study CS, so that they can slim shady most consumers. it's called gigabyte shaving. 5% is like 2GB shaved for their Zen 32GB. what a hoodwink! The flash chips used are pretty standard within the industry, but you don't see other companies getting sued. Just check out your own USB flash drives. Both my 1Gb Sandisks have about 960Mb, not 1000Mb. If anything, their fault is not skimping on the gigabyte. It's not including the standard disclaimer that "1Gb = 1,000,000,000 bytes". No matter how fine the print, it is a legal shield. Not that I'm trying to defend Creative. I think they suck at doing business. It's damn irritating though, to keep seeing frivolous class action suits that were possibly initiated by people who knew what they were doing when they set out on the hunting trip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjbab 0 Report post Posted May 15, 2008 (edited) Oh man I never expected this. So far I had bought 2 Creative MP3 players and they ripped me to some extent . I remember checking the space and thought it to be occupied by the OS. Edited May 15, 2008 by vjbab Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stinger888 0 Report post Posted May 16, 2008 In computer lingo, 1KB = 1024byte and 1 GB = 1024KB. Seems Creative counted differently, their 1GB was 1000KB. So they misrepresented the actual memory in their MP3 players, there is about 5% less memory than advertised. See lah, that's what happens when people don't study computer science..... Err... I think 1MB = 1024KB and 1024MB = 1GB, yes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
radioactive28 0 Report post Posted May 16, 2008 (edited) Oh man I never expected this. So far I had bought 2 Creative MP3 players and they ripped me to some extent . I remember checking the space and thought it to be occupied by the OS. When you do get the Cowon D2 16Gb, check its capacity. Don't be too surprised to find only 15,259Mb, or 14.9Gb. http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?p=381932 Here's a lesson in how storage formats report their data. Storage formats--ALL OF THEM--HDDs, DVDs, HD-DVDs, BDs, flash drives, etc. use the SI definiton of KB, MB, GB. That is, 1 KB = 1000 bytes, 1 MB = 1000 KB, 1 GB = 1000 MB. Thus, when an HDD reports that it has 80 GB, they mean it has 80,000,000,000 bytes available on it. Computer OSes don't use that. They use the binary definition for KB et al. 1 KB = 1024 bytes, 1 MB = 1024 KB, 1 GB = 1024 KB. TO prevent this confusion, these are sometimes written as KiB, MiB, etc. ("binary kilobyte"). So, let's do the math For DVD, 4.7 GB ==> 4.337 GiB 8.5 GB ==> 7.91 GiB For Blu-ray, 50 GB = 50,000,000,000 bytes. To convert that into the GiB that the computer sees, we divide by 1024^3, and get...46.56 GiB. For HDDs, 80 GB ==> 74.5 GiB 120 GB ==> 111.75 GiB For HD-DVD, 30 GB ==> 27.93 GiB 51 GB ==> 47.49 GiB Edited May 16, 2008 by radioactive28 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chesterqw 0 Report post Posted May 17, 2008 e.g. 16GB 16000/1024*1000=15625(real life capacity) and that is not including system files which takes up space too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
